Program Funding

“First, I would like to thank Congress for supporting the Department's UAP efforts. The NDAA for fiscal year 2022 has helped us to establish a dedicated office to oversee processes and procedures for the timely collection, processing, analysis, and reporting of UAP-related data.”

“The National Defense Authorization Act of 2022 established the all-domain anomaly resolution officer—AARO—to conduct or to coordinate efforts across the Department of Defense and other Federal agents to detect, identify, and investigate UAPs.”

“There is documentation, that I believe was submitted for the record, that was approved for release by the U.S. Pentagon, by the Department of Defense Office of Prepublication and Security Review. And it states that one of the reasons why my predecessor program, AAWSAP, was trying to collect material of unknown origin”

“Deputy Secretary of Defense Norquist directed the establishment of the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force within the Department of the Navy”

“Additionally, are you aware of any other DOD or DOD contract programs focused on UAPs from a technological engineering perspective? And by that, I mean, are you aware of any technology initiatives focused on this topic, other than initiatives focused on the individual case investigations?”

“Correct, through something called IR&D.”

“Can you give me the names and titles of the people with direct firsthand knowledge and access to some of this crash retrieval—some of these crash retrieval programs and maybe which facilities, military bases, that would—the recovered material would be in?”

“I got you. All right. Well, that leads to my next question. Which private corporations are directly involved in this program? How much taxpayer money has been invested in these programs, to your knowledge?”

“Yes. I do not know the specific metrics toward the end of your question. The specific corporations I did provide to the committees in specific divisions and I spent 11‡ hours with both intel committees.”

“I am not aware of any contractual programs that are focused on any anything related to this, other than what we are doing in the Navy task force and what we are about to launch in terms of our effort.”

“IR&D is literally internal to the contractors. So, as long as it is money, either profits, private investment, et cetera, they do whatever they want.”

“Well, I prefer to answer that question in a closed session. However, we established AARO for that very purpose. And, unfortunately, under its previous leadership, it failed. So, one would hope that they would have the authorities necessary to do that. Let us hope that this new iteration of leadership will be successful.”

“I mean, we know—we audit the Pentagon every year and I have been here 5 years and they fail the daggum thing every year. Lose over a billion dollars a year, we think, and I was told the Department of Defense maybe 60 percent of their assets are unaccounted for, whatever the heck that means.”

“Yes. I have specific knowledge of that. Yes.”

“The author's sources are described in the report—these data bases, the Immaculate Constellation program——”

“Does that mean that there is money in the budget that is set to go to a program, but it does not, and it goes to something else?”

“This hearing is intended to help Congress and the American people to learn the extent of the programs and activities our government has engaged in with respect to UAPs and what knowledge it has yielded. This includes, of course, any knowledge of extraterrestrial life or technology of nonhuman origin.”

“In terms of the contractors? Not that I am aware of.”

“I believe we are in the midst of a multidecade secretive arms race, one funded by misallocated taxpayer dollars and hidden from our elected Representatives and oversight bodies.”

“All right. When do you think those programs began and who authorized them?”

“I was wondering if you could speak a little bit about the interaction—or Mr. Grusch, either of you—the interactions between defense contractor companies and any UAP-related programs or activities.”

“Over the last decade and a half, I learned that certain UAP programs were and are operating without any of these elements.”

“If you sell over—if you sell over $600 worth of stuff on Ebay now you get a call from the IRS. So, please, what corporations?”

“Do you think U.S. corporations are overcharging for certain tech they are selling to the U.S. Government and that additional money is going to programs?”

“Are they required to issue any disclosure regarding UAP sightings or do they engage in any reporting around this?”

“I have concerns based on the interviews I conducted under my official duties of potential violations of the Federal Acquisition Regulations—the FAR.”

“I will give you generalities. I can get very specific in a closed session. But misappropriation of funds and self-fund.”

“Same answer. Not aware of anything outside what we are doing in the UAP Task Force.”

“Are there—what methods of notification did you observe? Like, when they say they notified Congress, how did they do that? Do you have insight into that?”

“I believe we are in the midst of a multi-decade, secretive arms race—one funded by misallocated taxpayer dollars and hidden from our elected representatives and oversight bodies.”